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	<title>Comments on: The Organic Incubator</title>
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		<title>By: davidcrow</title>
		<link>http://www.startupnorth.ca/2009/11/10/the-organic-incubator/comment-page-1/#comment-7427</link>
		<dc:creator>davidcrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@aliasaria is awesome.</description>
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		<title>By: davidcrow</title>
		<link>http://www.startupnorth.ca/2009/11/10/the-organic-incubator/comment-page-1/#comment-7384</link>
		<dc:creator>davidcrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No disagreement here. I took @tagga&#039;s piece to either be a puff piece around Invoke, or just an ill-informed opinion piece without a lot of data. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Venture is not a dependency to get off the ground. It&#039;s a very reasonable method to fund growth. The hard costs of getting started have radically declined over the past 15 years (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidcrow.ca/article/1804/seed-stage-financing-in-canada&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://davidcrow.ca/article/1804/seed-stage-fin...&lt;/a&gt; and specifically Joe Kraus &lt;a href=&quot;http://bnoopy.typepad.com/bnoopy/2005/06/its_a_great_tim.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bnoopy.typepad.com/bnoopy/2005/06/its_a_...&lt;/a&gt; &amp; Daniel Drouel &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.montrealstartup.com/?p=39&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.montrealstartup.com/?p=39&lt;/a&gt;. I think this is where a lot of entrepreneurs go wrong. Only in very rare cases do entrepreneurs raise money to &quot;start&quot; something. @dossip for example seed funded Workbrain with $1M from friends and family. Generally you raise money to enable growth. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the challenge presented by &quot;organically&quot; funded teams is being able to step away from the cash cow to effectively grow their new crop. There&#039;s an opportunity to help fund consulting transitions into product shops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No disagreement here. I took @tagga&#39;s piece to either be a puff piece around Invoke, or just an ill-informed opinion piece without a lot of data. </p>
<p>Venture is not a dependency to get off the ground. It&#39;s a very reasonable method to fund growth. The hard costs of getting started have radically declined over the past 15 years (see <a href="http://davidcrow.ca/article/1804/seed-stage-financing-in-canada" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://davidcrow.ca/article/1804/seed-stage-fin.." rel="nofollow">http://davidcrow.ca/article/1804/seed-stage-fin..</a>. and specifically Joe Kraus <a href="http://bnoopy.typepad.com/bnoopy/2005/06/its_a_great_tim.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://bnoopy.typepad.com/bnoopy/2005/06/its_a_.." rel="nofollow">http://bnoopy.typepad.com/bnoopy/2005/06/its_a_..</a>. &#038; Daniel Drouel <a href="http://www.montrealstartup.com/?p=39" rel="nofollow">http://www.montrealstartup.com/?p=39</a>. I think this is where a lot of entrepreneurs go wrong. Only in very rare cases do entrepreneurs raise money to &#8220;start&#8221; something. @dossip for example seed funded Workbrain with $1M from friends and family. Generally you raise money to enable growth. </p>
<p>And the challenge presented by &#8220;organically&#8221; funded teams is being able to step away from the cash cow to effectively grow their new crop. There&#39;s an opportunity to help fund consulting transitions into product shops.</p>
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		<title>By: dannyrobinson</title>
		<link>http://www.startupnorth.ca/2009/11/10/the-organic-incubator/comment-page-1/#comment-7382</link>
		<dc:creator>dannyrobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job David.  I hear a common theme from most (not all) development shops that i have talked to.  They all struggle to find enough time to do what they really want, which is to work on their own projects.  Some do a better job at this than others (Invoke and Nitobi are great examples here in Vancouver)  But, of the majority, if they didn&#039;t have to work on client work, they could be out there building products that they own and turn into real businesses.  Unfortunately it&#039;s not black or white.  Both outside funded teams and  &quot;organically&quot; funded teams are able to create great startups.  As soon as we removed VC as a dependency to get a company off the ground, all sorts of viable models opened up.  It&#039;s a great time to be alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job David.  I hear a common theme from most (not all) development shops that i have talked to.  They all struggle to find enough time to do what they really want, which is to work on their own projects.  Some do a better job at this than others (Invoke and Nitobi are great examples here in Vancouver)  But, of the majority, if they didn&#39;t have to work on client work, they could be out there building products that they own and turn into real businesses.  Unfortunately it&#39;s not black or white.  Both outside funded teams and  &#8220;organically&#8221; funded teams are able to create great startups.  As soon as we removed VC as a dependency to get a company off the ground, all sorts of viable models opened up.  It&#39;s a great time to be alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
		<link>http://www.startupnorth.ca/2009/11/10/the-organic-incubator/comment-page-1/#comment-7375</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://aliasaria.ca/blog/2008/03/14/i-dislike-startup-advisor-companies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://aliasaria.ca/blog/2008/03/14/i-dislike-s...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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